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Jon Tang
Hi,

I'm having problems installing FIRMAGene on my computer either with the install.packages command in R or with the R Package Installer. I keep getting the warning message that FIRMAGene is not available.  Is there another location to get this package?  Thanks. 

R version 2.12.0 (2010-10-15)
Platform: i386-apple-darwin9.8.0/i386 (32-bit)

When I try to install by using the install.packages command, it says the package is unavailable:
> install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org")
Warning: unable to access index for repository http://R-Forge.R-project.org/bin/macosx/leopard/contrib/2.12
Warning message:
In getDependencies(pkgs, dependencies, available, lib) :
  package ‘FIRMAGene’ is not available


If I try to install the package using the R Package Installer, I get the following warnings:
> install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org")
Warning: unable to access index for repository http://R-Forge.R-project.org/bin/macosx/leopard/contrib/2.12
Warning message:
In getDependencies(pkgs, dependencies, available, lib) :
  package ‘FIRMAGene’ is not available
trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
opened URL
==================================================
downloaded 9223 bytes

* installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
** libs
*** arch - i386
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
/usr/bin/libtool: for architecture ppc7400 object: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libSystem.dylib malformed object (unknown load command 7)
/usr/bin/libtool: for architecture: (null) file: -lSystem is not an object file (not allowed in a library)
/usr/bin/libtool: for architecture ppc64 object: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libSystem.dylib malformed object (unknown load command 7)
make: *** [FIRMAGene.so] Error 1
ERROR: compilation failed for package ‘FIRMAGene’
* removing ‘/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene’

The downloaded packages are in
    ‘/private/var/folders/pQ/pQBxScbYEACZOn2BER6xiE+++TI/-Tmp-/RtmpzEsz6S/downloaded_packages’

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Re: [aroma.affymetrix] Installing FIRMAGene

Mark Robinson
Hi Jon.

Hmm, perhaps R-forge hasn't gotten all the R 2.12 binary builds done yet.  If I use type="source", FIRMAGene builds fine for me on Mac OS X ...

> sessionInfo()
R version 2.12.0 Patched (2010-10-19 r53373)
Platform: i386-apple-darwin9.8.0/i386 (32-bit)
 
[snip]

> install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org", type="source")
trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
opened URL
==================================================
downloaded 9223 bytes

* installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
** libs
*** arch - i386
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
installing to /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene/libs/i386
*** arch - ppc
gcc -arch ppc -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/ppc  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch ppc -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/ppc  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch ppc -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
installing to /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene/libs/ppc
*** arch - x86_64
gcc -arch x86_64 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/x86_64  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch x86_64 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/x86_64  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch x86_64 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
installing to /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene/libs/x86_64
** R
** inst
** preparing package for lazy loading
** help
*** installing help indices
** building package indices ...
** testing if installed package can be loaded

* DONE (FIRMAGene)

The downloaded packages are in
        ‘/private/var/folders/8T/8TpdlpGXGzyAaNQm0Wp-zk++mHo/-Tmp-/Rtmph06hxm/downloaded_packages’
Updating HTML index of packages in '.Library'


and Linux:

> sessionInfo()
R version 2.12.0 (2010-10-15)
Platform: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu (64-bit)
[snip]

> install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org", type="source")
Warning in install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos = "http://R-Forge.R-project.org",  :
  'lib = "/usr/local/bioinfsoftware/R/R-2.12.0/library"' is not writable
Would you like to create a personal library
'~/R/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-library/2.12'
to install packages into?  (y/n) y
trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
opened URL
==================================================
downloaded 9223 bytes

* installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
** libs
/usr/bin/cc -std=gnu99 -I/usr/local/bioinfsoftware/R/R-2.12.0/include  -I/usr/local/include    -fpic  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
/usr/bin/cc -std=gnu99 -I/usr/local/bioinfsoftware/R/R-2.12.0/include  -I/usr/local/include    -fpic  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
/usr/bin/cc -std=gnu99 -shared -L/usr/local/lib64 -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o
installing to /export/share/disk501/lab0605/mrobinson/R/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-library/2.12/FIRMAGene/libs
** R
** inst
** preparing package for lazy loading
** help
*** installing help indices
** building package indices ...
** testing if installed package can be loaded

* DONE (FIRMAGene)



So, I'm inclined to think the error has to do with your system.  Unfortunately, I can't help with the actual errors you are getting -- libSystem.dylib malformed object.  A google search popped up a link that may help:

http://hintsforums.macworld.com/archive/index.php/t-273.html

Also, you might check that you have an appropriate version of Dev Tools:
http://developer.apple.com/technologies/tools/

Hope that helps.

Mark


On 2010-10-27, at 1:52 PM, Jon Tang wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm having problems installing FIRMAGene on my computer either with the install.packages command in R or with the R Package Installer. I keep getting the warning message that FIRMAGene is not available.  Is there another location to get this package?  Thanks.  
>
> R version 2.12.0 (2010-10-15)
> Platform: i386-apple-darwin9.8.0/i386 (32-bit)
>
> When I try to install by using the install.packages command, it says the package is unavailable:
> > install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org")
> Warning: unable to access index for repository http://R-Forge.R-project.org/bin/macosx/leopard/contrib/2.12
> Warning message:
> In getDependencies(pkgs, dependencies, available, lib) :
>   package ‘FIRMAGene’ is not available
>
>
> If I try to install the package using the R Package Installer, I get the following warnings:
> > install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org")
> Warning: unable to access index for repository http://R-Forge.R-project.org/bin/macosx/leopard/contrib/2.12
> Warning message:
> In getDependencies(pkgs, dependencies, available, lib) :
>   package ‘FIRMAGene’ is not available
> trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
> Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
> opened URL
> ==================================================
> downloaded 9223 bytes
>
> * installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
> ** libs
> *** arch - i386
> gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
> gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
> gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
> /usr/bin/libtool: for architecture ppc7400 object: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libSystem.dylib malformed object (unknown load command 7)
> /usr/bin/libtool: for architecture: (null) file: -lSystem is not an object file (not allowed in a library)
> /usr/bin/libtool: for architecture ppc64 object: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libSystem.dylib malformed object (unknown load command 7)
> make: *** [FIRMAGene.so] Error 1
> ERROR: compilation failed for package ‘FIRMAGene’
> * removing ‘/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene’
>
> The downloaded packages are in
>     ‘/private/var/folders/pQ/pQBxScbYEACZOn2BER6xiE+++TI/-Tmp-/RtmpzEsz6S/downloaded_packages’
>
>
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Re: [aroma.affymetrix] Installing FIRMAGene

Jon Tang
Thanks. That worked.

Jon

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Mark Robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Jon.

Hmm, perhaps R-forge hasn't gotten all the R 2.12 binary builds done yet.  If I use type="source", FIRMAGene builds fine for me on Mac OS X ...

> sessionInfo()
R version 2.12.0 Patched (2010-10-19 r53373)
Platform: i386-apple-darwin9.8.0/i386 (32-bit)

[snip]

> install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org", type="source")
trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
opened URL
==================================================
downloaded 9223 bytes

* installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
** libs
*** arch - i386
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
installing to /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene/libs/i386
*** arch - ppc
gcc -arch ppc -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/ppc  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch ppc -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/ppc  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch ppc -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
installing to /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene/libs/ppc
*** arch - x86_64
gcc -arch x86_64 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/x86_64  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
gcc -arch x86_64 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/x86_64  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
gcc -arch x86_64 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
installing to /Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene/libs/x86_64
** R
** inst
** preparing package for lazy loading
** help
*** installing help indices
** building package indices ...
** testing if installed package can be loaded

* DONE (FIRMAGene)

The downloaded packages are in
       ‘/private/var/folders/8T/8TpdlpGXGzyAaNQm0Wp-zk++mHo/-Tmp-/Rtmph06hxm/downloaded_packages’
Updating HTML index of packages in '.Library'


and Linux:

> sessionInfo()
R version 2.12.0 (2010-10-15)
Platform: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu (64-bit)
[snip]

> install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org", type="source")
Warning in install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos = "http://R-Forge.R-project.org",  :
 'lib = "/usr/local/bioinfsoftware/R/R-2.12.0/library"' is not writable
Would you like to create a personal library
'~/R/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-library/2.12'
to install packages into?  (y/n) y
trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
opened URL
==================================================
downloaded 9223 bytes

* installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
** libs
/usr/bin/cc -std=gnu99 -I/usr/local/bioinfsoftware/R/R-2.12.0/include  -I/usr/local/include    -fpic  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
/usr/bin/cc -std=gnu99 -I/usr/local/bioinfsoftware/R/R-2.12.0/include  -I/usr/local/include    -fpic  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
/usr/bin/cc -std=gnu99 -shared -L/usr/local/lib64 -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o
installing to /export/share/disk501/lab0605/mrobinson/R/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-library/2.12/FIRMAGene/libs
** R
** inst
** preparing package for lazy loading
** help
*** installing help indices
** building package indices ...
** testing if installed package can be loaded

* DONE (FIRMAGene)



So, I'm inclined to think the error has to do with your system.  Unfortunately, I can't help with the actual errors you are getting -- libSystem.dylib malformed object.  A google search popped up a link that may help:

http://hintsforums.macworld.com/archive/index.php/t-273.html

Also, you might check that you have an appropriate version of Dev Tools:
http://developer.apple.com/technologies/tools/

Hope that helps.

Mark


On 2010-10-27, at 1:52 PM, Jon Tang wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm having problems installing FIRMAGene on my computer either with the install.packages command in R or with the R Package Installer. I keep getting the warning message that FIRMAGene is not available.  Is there another location to get this package?  Thanks.
>
> R version 2.12.0 (2010-10-15)
> Platform: i386-apple-darwin9.8.0/i386 (32-bit)
>
> When I try to install by using the install.packages command, it says the package is unavailable:
> > install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org")
> Warning: unable to access index for repository http://R-Forge.R-project.org/bin/macosx/leopard/contrib/2.12
> Warning message:
> In getDependencies(pkgs, dependencies, available, lib) :
>   package ‘FIRMAGene’ is not available
>
>
> If I try to install the package using the R Package Installer, I get the following warnings:
> > install.packages("FIRMAGene", repos="http://R-Forge.R-project.org")
> Warning: unable to access index for repository http://R-Forge.R-project.org/bin/macosx/leopard/contrib/2.12
> Warning message:
> In getDependencies(pkgs, dependencies, available, lib) :
>   package ‘FIRMAGene’ is not available
> trying URL 'http://R-Forge.R-project.org/src/contrib/FIRMAGene_0.9.5.tar.gz'
> Content type 'application/x-gzip' length 9223 bytes
> opened URL
> ==================================================
> downloaded 9223 bytes
>
> * installing *source* package ‘FIRMAGene’ ...
> ** libs
> *** arch - i386
> gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c init.c -o init.o
> gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include -I/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Resources/include/i386  -I/usr/local/include    -fPIC  -g -O2 -c mps.c -o mps.o
> gcc -arch i386 -std=gnu99 -dynamiclib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -undefined dynamic_lookup -single_module -multiply_defined suppress -L/usr/local/lib -o FIRMAGene.so init.o mps.o -F/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/.. -framework R -Wl,-framework -Wl,CoreFoundation
> /usr/bin/libtool: for architecture ppc7400 object: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libSystem.dylib malformed object (unknown load command 7)
> /usr/bin/libtool: for architecture: (null) file: -lSystem is not an object file (not allowed in a library)
> /usr/bin/libtool: for architecture ppc64 object: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-apple-darwin8/4.0.1/../../../libSystem.dylib malformed object (unknown load command 7)
> make: *** [FIRMAGene.so] Error 1
> ERROR: compilation failed for package ‘FIRMAGene’
> * removing ‘/Library/Frameworks/R.framework/Versions/2.12/Resources/library/FIRMAGene’
>
> The downloaded packages are in
>     ‘/private/var/folders/pQ/pQBxScbYEACZOn2BER6xiE+++TI/-Tmp-/RtmpzEsz6S/downloaded_packages’
>
>
> --
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Epigenetics Laboratory, Garvan
Bioinformatics Division, WEHI
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